Today I am ashamed to be an American.

[SBF]

Well I see Les hasn't changed much since the last time I was here.

[Les / Vipers Rule]

[SBF]

[Les / Vipers Rule]

[SBF]

[Les / Vipers Rule]

[SBF]

If that's the best you can retort with, that says all I need to know.

[the_edge]

[1300zuk]

Raska is all adulting now.

And I'm just like what am I doing anymore.

[Honor]

So Trump winning the election is worse than 9/11? Worse than the Iraq War in which how many soldiers died? Lmao

[SBF]

Who said that?

[Honor]

[sombrio]

I mean what I said. It is worse.

Although this isn't politically correct, there's a kind of sacred mythology built up around 9/11. About 3,000 people died. That's obviously bad, but as horrible as this might sound, worse things have happened. In terms of strict utilitarian "bad," the greatest harm to the greatest number of people, many things have been worse, and many things in the future will be worse. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were probably worse overall.

Trump, with a Republican Congress and multiple Supreme Court picks, is potentially the end of American democracy and freedom. It's hard to overstate the potential harm. Consider what he's already done. He's put a white-supremacist publisher in the White House, together with the Republican Party chairman. He's threatened political opponents with prosecution. He's refused to even acknowledge his many conflicts of interest involving his businesses, and he's already reportedly wielded political power for personal profit (in the phone call with the Argentine prime minister regarding a business project).

If you think there's no way a Trump presidency could be worse than 3,000 people dying, you've got another think coming...

[Les / Vipers Rule]

[sombrio]

[thewalrus]

[Les / Vipers Rule]

[sombrio]

And this is the problem. The rubes don't care whether it's good policy or not. They just want to stick it to the libruls. As FARK would say, STIGGINT!

Massive corruption? Policy blunders? Rich getting richer while "real Amurricans" languish in a hopeless economy? Disrespecting the founding documents conservatives claim to love so much? No problem. Trump got elected so libruls are cryin! MAGA! STIGGINT!

It also says a lot, Les, that you completely ignored the points I made and chose to go off on a tangent about Canada being dependent on America and libruls crying. You can't even respond to a basic argument. You're completely incapable of having a meaningful discussion. No wonder you like Trump.

[Les / Vipers Rule]

[the_edge]