Never buying another VAG product again.

[1300zuk]

Well in terms of regulation off-road use is anything not used on roads, so diggers, bulldozers, boats, etc.

I didn't create English or how they classify groups. And seriously relax about the issue you'll get all worked over a very small global issue, yes VW fucked up and should be punished, but it's still the same car, it's still fuel efficient, it's still safe to drive from a physical standpoint. It might be 2 years before your car has a fix, enjoy the car you purchased.

[thewalrus]

[tut]

appeared on my facebook. not sure how much actually has to do with diesel road cars, though ...



also, i dislike diesels, as they smell and are noisy, and shit... even the "clean" ones ... yet i do agree with zuk that they're far from the biggest polluters. then again, multiple years ago, i spent a day and a half researching maps of lung cancer per capita and diesel cars per capita. and there was a link. yes, it wasn't very unscientific research, and i knew what i wanted to prove beforehand, and the actual link between the both might be non-existant..

oh well

all i know is that i feel like i'm dieing a bit everytime i walk past the brussels airport taxi rank....

[1300zuk]

You had an MG that didn't have a catalyst or an evap system, but owning a car that does not meet current EPA regulations is not ok.

[thewalrus]

[Talon]

This thread is bringing back the AF of old :wub:

[thewalrus]

[1300zuk]

It's a shitty deal, but do you really want this to consume your life for the next 2 years while you wait for a fix?

And also, I find it quite funny that the U.S. Government helped citizens purchase these cars during cash for clunkers.

[thewalrus]

[1300zuk]

Suzuki got rid of VW just in time.

Asian companies are generally very honest when it comes to this stuff.

[thewalrus]

[Turbojett]

I'm torn. I don't like Volkswagen Brand proper, I always thought they were overrated and didn't deserve all the plaudits the ever-mercurial car-media was heaping onto them (I'm lookin' square at you Jalopnik. Yeah, suck VW's dick while they're on top, and now that they've been caught, you're leading the witchhunt like you never liked them--bullshit!)
And I'm pissed off that they would do such a thing--but to say you've lost it for all VAG products...That's a lot of R8's, Lambos and Bugattis not to pine over. I just can't give those up...

[thewalrus]

[tut]

In other news, my brother just got a new company car
a one year old vw golf tdi...

[1300zuk]

I'm really curious what the fix is going to be, a 2009 with 200k on it has already done the damage, not worth a lot of money.

Does VW repurchase vehicle and destroy, repair, give customer dollar amount, contribute to environmental agency?

Sure they are supposed to come up with a fix, but if parts are involved it will take years to fix the majority. If it's just reflash they can start soon. Just reflash is very unlikely or else they would have already done it, so parts or reduced vehicle performance with a reflash are their only option.

The customer can really do nothing at this point but wait and continue to drive, those with highest mileage may come out ahead financially.

[thewalrus]

[thewalrus]

And seriously, even a lot of my TDI owning friends who are suitably outraged at the environmental destructiveness of VW's NOx issue have said that if they went in, were given $5000 + a decent trade in on the TDI + a discount on a new TSI, would probably make the switch. Just so long as they didn't end up paying more money for having done it - ie. montly payments still the same, term still the same. Or if it's paid off just a direct flip, one for the other.

Just approximating the math in my head, I bet that a $15 k effective trade in / downpayment + a 15% reduction on the cost of a loaded TSI + 0% financing would get you there. The customer may even be 'ahead' in that scenario.

[Arthur Dent]

I wonder if some of the older ones will be exported to third world countries

[thewalrus]

[1300zuk]

Other manufacturers recalls are slowly trickling through while VW has the spotlight.

Those are always fun to monitor, because sometimes auto companies sit on older recalls to time them with another's larger to try and keep bad press to a minimum. Also manufacturers review others recalls to make sure they don't have the same problem. So expect more, much smaller focused recalls to occur from everyone