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Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby sombrio » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:55 pm

Donald Trump winning the presidency is the worst thing that's happened to our country in my lifetime, and I don't say that lightly.

I've seen things I didn't like. I've witnessed tragedies. I've had a lot of disagreements with our country's policy decisions. I've watched our government carry out wars on abstract concepts that none of us wanted in the first place.

But I've never been ashamed of my country. I've never been ashamed to be an American.

Until today.

This pretty much sums it up: http://wonkette.com/608425/go-fuck-your ... D=ref_fark
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Les / Vipers Rule » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:18 pm

You may not like the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election, but for you to call yourself "Ashamed to be an American" is an affront to sensibilities. Even with 30+ years of socialism dressed in the guise of liberalism. Something BTW another great American, Ronald Reagan at the 1964 RNC Convention spoke of how socialism could spread through the USA if it's dressed as liberalism, you still live in arguably the best nation on Earth. A nation where millions of people have come to and want to come to and to embrace Americanism.

Yes, many have and also come to the USA take and steal from it much like pigs at the trough. But most people as immigrants who know by being an American citizen grants them rights and privileges most others in the world do not have and as such these citizens want to contribute back to the USA. But also many born in the USA citizens who were brought up correctly to believe in American exceptionalism, its rights, freedoms and as such they also know they owe this nation by its liberties all they truly ever gained.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Quote by JFK

You complain about all sorts of issues in your post that you find foul in the past, yet you are now ashamed because you have a President (elect) who IMO still believes in America and at this time still in its rightful place in the world, warts and all. Many other people outside the USA would gladly trade places with you Sombrio. The American democratic system spoke Nov. 8 2016. People are DONE with cronyism, blind globalism, socialism dressed as liberalism. They are done with being told they are somehow bad for just being Americans and believing or wanting to believe in it's historic values and ideals. They no longer want to be little 'comrades', SJW's, and have P.C. fluff and nonsense oppressively forced on them. D.J.T's election win was a BIG FUCK YOU to all of it and all of them.

As a Canadian who loves my country with its warts and all and would never be ashamed of it even though we currently have our version of 'Obama' and a 'man' :roll: who is beta cuck as P.M. but as such I know this, if and when America does well, Canada by being permanently joined at its proverbial hip does well too. In fact much of the western, developed, idealized world does well by extension too.

As to any and all 'backwards' nations be they culturally, socially, politically and economically backwards, by such they all in a sliding scale deserve to be failures that they are.

So you can IMO wrongfully carry your shame, that is your right, but it's your loss.

Mark my words President Donald J. Trump will in the end of his eight years be one of the best Presidents in US history. A Saviour he is not. A perfect man he is not. But a man who loves the USA and has a vision and a seeming ability to move it forward.

I will end by saying the following, he will one day have a US Navy CVN named after him, JUST WATCH AND SEE!

Peace Out! 8-)
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby sombrio » Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:07 am

Les, you don't know what you're talking about, you never have, and with your attitude I think you never will.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Talon » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:54 am

Worse than 9/11?

Everyone is acting like this county is dead. Let's see what happens. Am I happy the guy's in office? No. Do I think hell be able to do even 10% of the crazy things he's said? No. There will be no wall, for example.

That being said, the whole system has failed. Shame on the GoP for not being able to find someone better and shame on the Dems for not being able to beat him.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby tut » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:11 am

A quote on the radio today
Clinton stole the presidency from Sanders and gave it to Trump


What bums me out is all the riots and protests against trump. He was voted in. Democratically. And he hasn't done anything wrong... Yet...

I don't like the guy, I don't like the lady, but I wish him all the best. And hey, even as a president, he's got heaps of people around him, stopping him from doing the stupidest things. I'm sure it'll all work out fine.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Les / Vipers Rule » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:02 am

sombrio wrote:Les, you don't know what you're talking about, you never have, and with your attitude I think you never will.


WTF!?!

So you mean to tell me millions of people outside of the USA would NOT want to trade places with you?

Or are you telling me a legitimate democratic vote on Nov. 8 2016 that gave the USA President (elect) Trump did not happen?

Will you answer me that?

Again, you have the right to feel ashamed, but you look silly as an American living in what many still feel is arguably the best nation on Earth to live in all along most of the world's population could only dream to have your likely meager US lifestyle.

Or maybe, you don't know what you're talking about, you never have, and with your attitude I think you never will. 8-)
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Les / Vipers Rule » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:07 am

tut wrote:A quote on the radio today
Clinton stole the presidency from Sanders and gave it to Trump


What bums me out is all the riots and protests against trump. He was voted in. Democratically. And he hasn't done anything wrong... Yet...

I don't like the guy, I don't like the lady, but I wish him all the best. And hey, even as a president, he's got heaps of people around him, stopping him from doing the stupidest things. I'm sure it'll all work out fine.



Bummed out Democrats, stupid SJW's and other liberals/socialists only care about violence and protests if these are done against them. When they are themselves doing so it's all ok. Now of course they have the right to peaceably protest, nobody who believes in Constitutional rights will want to stop them from doing so, if they are keeping the peace. That said other than blowing off some steam and such, nothing will come from their protests.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Talon » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:00 am

tut wrote:What bums me out is all the riots and protests against trump. He was voted in. Democratically. And he hasn't done anything wrong... Yet...


I agree with this. Protesting because your (or others') human rights were violated is legitimate. Protesting because you didn't get your way is called whining. There are too many whiners in today's USA. Students walking out of class to protest; a Yale professor giving students a pass on their finals due to emotional scaring. Are you fucking serious? Suck it up, buttercup. You didn't get your way. Deal with it... despite what you may think, it's going to happen a lot in your lifetime. There are no participation trophies in the real world - deal with it.

There is so much hypocricity (is that even a word?) on both sides it makes me sick. I'm seeing all these Clinton supporters on FB post about how we should get rid of the electoral college and go only on the popular vote because she won by a whopping 0.03%. Ok, so had thing been flipped 180* would you still be saying that? Didn't think so. And it would've been the same had it gone the other way... remember the Hanging Chad issue of 2000?

Calm the f' down people. People are acting like the world ended at 3:00am yesterday morning. Last I checked, Obama is still the POTUS.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Les / Vipers Rule » Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:21 am

The Founding Father's were visionary by having a Electoral Collage. They knew in a growing and expanding nation that a vote for POTUS by only popular vote would forever see an imbalance between what would be a limited number of large cities/metro centers vs. a wide and diverse town and rural areas. The voice of the farmers, ranchers, hunters, miners, developers etc. would never be heard vs the voice of an often not on the same page to them, city/metro areas.

These dough eyed, SJW's and liberals/socialists are just cry babies and have bought into the bull shit of over a year of attacks on Trump by the MSM .

Get use to President Donald J. Trump. He will likely be your President for 8 years and IMO will likely be when done one of the best Presidents in US History. And maybe for what will be his legacy a US Navy aircraft carrier named after him, CVN-81 Donald J. Trump.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby 1300zuk » Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:43 am

I'm still trying to sort it all out. It's not the end of the world, but he is definitely the wrong person for urban America.

If was guessing this was going to be the outcome, we will have to wait and see what happens. But trump really needs to address the hate in his campaign.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby thewalrus » Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:50 am

For what it's worth. Here are my thoughts.

1. Trump won, fair and square according to our system of democracy. But. Hillary won the popular vote, so as far as I'm concerned, the majority of Americans don't buy into Trump's bullshit ideology.

2. There are bright spots - especially if you're a Californian. It was a decidedly progressive ballot in the Golden State with a number of progressive, and important, measures being approved. And Clinton winning by over (I think) 3 million votes.

3. Trump is not nearly as extreme as he seems. The comments he's made about how he markets to people... His books. His interviews. They all explain what he did. Pandering to sensationalism, and approaching the world as though any news is good news is the best way to make money, or gain power. It worked. And that sucks. And he likely won't be good for our country. But he also won't be fatal. The fact that his campaign took down a number of key policy initiatives from his website that I found objectionable (including the muslim ban and the Mexican wall) gives me some hope. He campaigned to the extremists. But he might govern from the centre.

4. Trump looked absolutely terrified and out of his league, when meeting with Obama today. Perhaps he learned a little humility? The fact that he's pandering to Obama is both amazing, and telling in my opinion. I don't think he ever wanted to win this election, and I think now that he's won it he will be a timid, ineffectual President that'll last a single term. Nothing good or bad will get done.

5. I am still proud to be American. Only in a developed democracy can a transfer of power like this occur. Only in a democracy like this can there be a (sad) but legitimate debate. America is deeply divided. But that division is what gives America it's dynamic tension - and that dynamic tension is what makes America great. And a leader in the world. I still believe that, and I always will. This was, is, and will continue to be an amazing, if flawed country. I wouldn't have it any other way.

6. Les - fuck right off. Trump won. But your political ideologies are still despicable. You're attempts at argument and logic laughable. And your writing pathetic. You have nothing of substance to add to any conversation you stumble across. You're not American. This isn't your fight. Kindly go fuck yourself.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Les / Vipers Rule » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:06 am

thewalrus wrote:For what it's worth. Here are my thoughts.



6. Les - fuck right off. Trump won. But your political ideologies are still despicable. You're attempts at argument and logic laughable. And you're writing pathetic. You have nothing of substance to add to any conversation you stumble across. You're not American. This isn't your fight. Kindly go fuck yourself.



You lost the argument with such a silly, in fact actually stupid and childless attack. You are so typical of a liberal/leftist with trying to shut me up. When you don't see, read or hear what you want from another person including myself, you want to shut the other person up. Shows your typical liberal/leftist intolerance. Just like many of the SJW's protesting out there. You are obviously incapable of having an adult discussion on this stuff. You also do not control the agenda at this site ok? You are half Canadian living in Canada and not the USA. You are governed by the same Canadian government and soon to be B.C. government as I. You are not governed by the US government and have nothing more over the USA as I, except they allow you to post a vote, GOOD FOR YOU!

Try to act your age and stop being a shithead!
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby thewalrus » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:37 am

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thewalrus wrote:For what it's worth. Here are my thoughts.



6. Les - fuck right off. Trump won. But your political ideologies are still despicable. You're attempts at argument and logic laughable. And you're writing pathetic. You have nothing of substance to add to any conversation you stumble across. You're not American. This isn't your fight. Kindly go fuck yourself.



You lost the argument with such a silly, in fact actually stupid and childless attack. You are so typical of a liberal/leftist with trying to shut me up. When you don't see, read or hear what you want from another person including myself, you want to shut the other person up. Shows your typical liberal/leftist intolerance. Just like many of the SJW's protesting out there. You are obviously incapable of having an adult discussion on this stuff. You also do not control the agenda at this site ok? You are half Canadian living in Canada and not the USA. You are governed by the same Canadian government and soon to be B.C. government as I. You are not governed by the US government and have nothing more over the USA as I, except they allow you to post a vote, GOOD FOR YOU!

Try to act your age and stop being a shithead!


Actually, dipshit, I do have to follow a number of American laws - including those which required me to register for the draft at 18 (which I did), file taxes each year (which I do), and if necessary pay taxes (which I may). I'm also prohibited from holding certain offices in Canada as a consequence of my dual citizenship. Which is something I'm happy to oblige. I have a vested interested and stake in America.

Also the statement "You are not governed by the US government and have nothing more over the USA as I" makes no fucking sense.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Les / Vipers Rule » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:28 am

thewalrus wrote:
Les / Vipers Rule wrote:
thewalrus wrote:For what it's worth. Here are my thoughts.



6. Les - fuck right off. Trump won. But your political ideologies are still despicable. You're attempts at argument and logic laughable. And you're writing pathetic. You have nothing of substance to add to any conversation you stumble across. You're not American. This isn't your fight. Kindly go fuck yourself.



You lost the argument with such a silly, in fact actually stupid and childless attack. You are so typical of a liberal/leftist with trying to shut me up. When you don't see, read or hear what you want from another person including myself, you want to shut the other person up. Shows your typical liberal/leftist intolerance. Just like many of the SJW's protesting out there. You are obviously incapable of having an adult discussion on this stuff. You also do not control the agenda at this site ok? You are half Canadian living in Canada and not the USA. You are governed by the same Canadian government and soon to be B.C. government as I. You are not governed by the US government and have nothing more over the USA as I, except they allow you to post a vote, GOOD FOR YOU!

Try to act your age and stop being a shithead!


Actually, dipshit, I do have to follow a number of American laws - including those which required me to register for the draft at 18 (which I did), file taxes each year (which I do), and if necessary pay taxes (which I may). I'm also prohibited from holding certain offices in Canada as a consequence of my dual citizenship. Which is something I'm happy to oblige. I have a vested interested and stake in America.

Also the statement "You are not governed by the US government and have nothing more over the USA as I" makes no fucking sense.



Man that pole up your ass must really hurt, maybe you should try pulling it out Wally,

Paying U.S.taxes, yep I know you have the 'privilege' :) to do so. So then for you Trump's proposed tax cuts will save you some money. You will also not be drafted for war, so not to worry Wally. It's been near 50 years since the US had an active draft and it prides itself on a professional military not a draft army. Besides Trump winning cooled off the threat of war with Russia as Heir Hillary was lusting for with what would have been an illegal No Fly Zone over Syria. So thank your lucky stars she lost just for that alone. The offices you may not be able to hold in Canada will probably not see you fill any of them regardless of your dual citizenship. So enjoy your move to Victoria and get on with your life in Canada.

Americans spoke, they elected Donald J. Trump as President (elect). He will be at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. regardless of what you and any others think and feel about it, including some of you being rather stupid by saying you are ashamed of being an American. Spoiled people feel that way.

We all have a stake in who attains the office of POTUS Wally, not just Americans. Canadians more than many other nations citizens are affected by US politics and policy. However I still do have the right to post my thoughts on anything I wish as well Wally. So again stop telling me not to voice my opinions here. You though do have the right to not bother to read or respond to them, I hope you get that point Wally!
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Talon » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:56 pm

thewalrus wrote:
4. Trump looked absolutely terrified and out of his league, when meeting with Obama today. Perhaps he learned a little humility? The fact that he's pandering to Obama is both amazing, and telling in my opinion. I don't think he ever wanted to win this election, and I think now that he's won it he will be a timid, ineffectual President that'll last a single term. Nothing good or bad will get done.



Concur. I was saying it all along... I don't think he really wanted to win. I think he liked being in the spotlight, talking shit, and having everyone pay attention to him. Heck, he was even setting up losing months ago talking about the rigged system (when Hillary was winning in the polls). However, Trump being Trump couldn't stand to lose and well... here we are.

I think a lot of rural America, along with numerous people who hate both candidates and didn't want to vote (no, not me... but I know people who voted, but didn't vote for Pres), were the reason for Trump getting in.

I also think it's ridiculous to all the 'extreme left' who lambasted Trump for saying 'mean' things are now protesting and rioting. I mean, protesting a democracy is kind of an oxi-moron, yea?
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Les / Vipers Rule » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:32 am

Trump is not afraid to be POTUS, it's not in his nature. He is a strong example of an alpha male. His visit with Obama was not an 'out of his league' thing, but him analyzing and beginning to size up what it will before him. He knows he has a big task but he will be up to it. He has a mind that most of us do not. A mind that is about getting all details he needs to win but also to build a consensus. One can have both. BTW if a bureaucratic community organizer and a junior Senator can become POTUS and a pretty lousy one at that, well a tough, but fair billionaire businessman can too. This has never happened before, but he will succeed more than he fails.

Hillary was never truly ahead in the 'real world' poles. The bull shit poles are what too many in MSM believed.

Rural and most any other parts of the USA outside the North East and Pacific were very much ON BOARD THE TRUMP TRAIN! There was none of this "we don't like him" stuff with them. He and his message resonated to the ideals of tens of millions of Americans who believe the USA has been awash in liberalism and its overt P.C. bull shit. Add all too much socialistic crap, all to play to the elites and the fattest, laziest cronies in modern US history. Trump's winning and keeping the House and the Senate as well as getting the USA to 39/50 Republican Governors was the biggest FUCK YOU in generations and it could not come soon enough.

The silly protestors are just ignorant SJW/ leftists and cry baby millennials who never truly have suffered a bad day in their lives. Soros and his  Moveon.org are behind much of this shit. Ads all over the USA in Craigslist are paying these people $15+ per hour to be professional protestors and shit disturbers. If you all want to see and learn about a true and sick/twisted asshole just look at Soros.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby 1300zuk » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:42 am

Les, I'm tired of arguing this shit with people. Trump is not an alpha male, he bought his way into that stigma. If he had no money he would be laughed at. Also, he looked like he saw a ghost after his meeting with obama.

I was against a trump presidency, I always thought he was running as a joke, not sure if he was or not, but that man just got a reality check. I like to believe trump will have americas best interests in mind, but he needs to address the hate in this country very very soon.

The electoral college doesn't vote until December, the idea of it is to protect the country if someone is a threat to the country. Given the hate fueled during his campaign it may be justifiable for the electorates to change their vote based on the populate vote.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Les / Vipers Rule » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:54 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX3RWz-tK8g


THIS BLACK POS CUNT MOTHER needs to have her kids taken away from her. The little boy in the video simply voted for Trump in a mock school election and this fucking bitch totally fucks him up probably for life. You also can see in the video that she shit out another child who is walking around in only a diaper. Where is the damn father and is he damn a cunt like her? Fucking bitch, I hope she falls down a flight of stairs and breaks her fucking neck. The good thing is it sounds like she was reported to Houston, TX. CPS

And you SJW/BLM/liberals wonder why the rest of us sane people have had it with you all and your hypocritical BULL SHIT!

FUCK OFF ALL OF YOU DOUCHE-BAGS.

Oh and if one or more of you are going to come back to flame me for this blood boiling angry post YOU CAN FUCK OFF TOO! Nobody in their right mind will condone this shit in the linked video here
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby Les / Vipers Rule » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:05 am

1300zuk wrote:Les, I'm tired of arguing this shit with people. Trump is not an alpha male, he bought his way into that stigma. If he had no money he would be laughed at. Also, he looked like he saw a ghost after his meeting with obama.

I was against a trump presidency, I always thought he was running as a joke, not sure if he was or not, but that man just got a reality check. I like to believe trump will have americas best interests in mind, but he needs to address the hate in this country very very soon.

The electoral college doesn't vote until December, the idea of it is to protect the country if someone is a threat to the country. Given the hate fueled during his campaign it may be justifiable for the electorates to change their vote based on the populate vote.



Give it up! For fuck sake D.J.T. ALPHA MALE won and will be POTUS.

IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND DO YOU THINK PRO TRUMP SUPPORTERS WOULD BE ALL ACTING MENTAL, CRYING AND RIOTING AS YOU ALL ARE??? No, because we have jobs to do, businesses to run and families to raise. We are not a bunch of snowflakes, and college age fuckwads and hippie assed oldie socialists teachers. professors and dyke feminists, who many of them either live off the govt. dole or have well off parents pampering them. They are damaging private and public property, assaulting people, violating right of way, all because their psycho bitch from Hell did not win.

The only victimization and suffering these fuckers have had to deal with would be a dead cell phone battery, Facebook, Twitter or SnapChat being down for a few minutes, the wrong coffee from what they ordered at Starbucks or my God, suffering from God Damn hang nail. For God Sake, it's a good thing another powerful nation has not invaded the USA yet, because these fuckers would fold like a cheap tent.
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Re: Today I am ashamed to be an American.

Postby tut » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:40 am

Les / Vipers Rule wrote:? Fucking bitch, I hope she falls down a flight of stairs and breaks her fucking neck.



GET FUCKED YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT CUNTSOCK OF A SMEGMAFACED FUCKING CUNT

GO AWAY AND GO FUCK YOURSELF IN YOUR FUCKING PISSHOLE WITH A FUCKING PINEAPPLE


I don't give a fuck about tump or Hilary and i couldn't give a rats ass who won. Nothing is going to change anyway. But you sir. You can just go away and get fucked.
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